PH Minutes 2019-06-04
PRATTVILLE CITY COUNCIL
PUBLIC HEARING MINUTES
TUESDAY, JUNE 4, 2019
6:00 P.M.
CALL TO ORDER: The Prattville City Council met in public hearing on Tuesday, May 21, 2019
at 6:00 p.m. in the Council Chambers at City Hall. Council President Striplin called the meeting
to order. Roll was called and Council President Pro Tempore Brown was recorded as being
absent.
1. RESOLUTION: To Authorize the Mayor to have Various Weeded Lots Abated per Title 11,
Chapter 67 of the Code of Alabama, 1975, as Amended. (Sponsored By: Councilor Starnes)
No one was present to speak for or in opposition of the resolution.
2. ORDINANCE: To Rezone Property Located at Old Farm Lane South and Vista Point Blvd.
from B-2 (General Business) to R-4 (Multi-Family) (Petitioner: MVAH Holding, LLC).
(Sponsored By: Councilor Cables)
The following individuals spoke in favor of this ordinance:
Bo Evans, 125 Cedar Drive:
Mr. Evans’ business is in real estate, he does both sales in property management. Mr. Evans
wanted to share a few of the issues he is seeing in the real estate market. There is a shortage
in Prattville of homes within the $110,000 and $150,000 price range, single and multi-family
rentals within the $900 and 1,500 per month price range and senior housing. The people who
are looking for those types of housing are newlyweds, 25 to 30 year olds, in their first job, and
highly educated. Their average household income is $50,000 to $75,000. These people can
choose to live in Prattville, Wetumpka, Auburn, Pike Road, etc. This group typically have a lot
of savings, but choose to wait to buy a home much later than previous generations. These are
the millennials. Due to lack of housing in the above mentioned price ranges, they are not
coming here. The proposed apartments will provide the needed options for these people. Mr.
Evans hoped the council would make the right decision.
Lisa Rollan, 619 Thornton Place:
Mrs. Rollan is an Economic Development Project Manager with the Prattville Area Chamber of
Commerce. Over the last 4 years approximately, 760 million dollars in capital investment from
recruitment and expansion efforts have come to the area. This translates to about 2,122 new
jobs in the city. 400 to 500 of those jobs are expected to be filled by the year 2020. Those jobs
will be filled by people living inside and outside of the City. There needs to be housing available
for those coming to Prattville for work, including apartments. Prattville’s occupancy rates tend
to be 95% plus.
Darrin Smith, MVAH Partners:
Mr. Smith represents the petitioner of this rezoning request. Mr. Smith has been coming to
Prattville for a about a year, and believes the city to be great. After researching economic
development in the city, there is clearly a shortage of multi-family housing. MVAH, Inc. is
proposing a Class A market Rate multi-family project with approximately 240 units. There is
not going to be project based Section 8 vouchers. MVAH is not applying for low income housing
tax credits, this is not a RAD project. There is nothing in our capital stack that precludes us
from having market rate rentals or rent restrictions. This is a true capital development with
capital equity for the market.
Patrick Lucas, Wetumpka, AL:
Mr. Lucas believes this project will be a good thing for the city. His grandkids live here and its
getting crowded. With growth comes the need for more housing. If people work here and live
here, they generate revenue for the city. Mr. Lucas is also ex-military, and he knows that military
families move to Montgomery. Mr. Lucas believes they would prefer to live in Prattville, but
there needs to be housing available to them. Some people here tonight are attempting to
discredit Mr. Smith and tie him in with another group. Councilor Starnes asked Mr. Lucas if he
was a resident of Wetumpka and Mr. Lucas responded yes. Councilor Jackson stated that Mr.
Lucas was welcome here tonight.
The following individuals spoke in opposition to this ordinance:
Jon Lee Finnegan, 211 Deer Trace:
Ms. Finnegan loved the charm of Prattville when she first moved here in 1989. Since then the
population has grown and the charm has eroded away. With congestion comes traffic and
accidents. The proposed complex is to be built near one of Prattville’s busiest intersections,
Cobbs Ford Road and Old Farm Lane. This will add to the traffic from the 206 units at Willow
Ridge across from this project, which has approval for 4 more buildings. To the north you have
traffic coming from the Hollybrook and Riverchase North subdivisions, as well as, from the
additional 1,500 homes when Glennbrooke and The Ridge at Pratt Farms are finished. There
are 700 plus homes approved for the area where McQueen Smith Road, Hwy. 82 and Hwy. 31
converge. Ms. Finnegan asked if an in-depth traffic study had been done. Adding another
apartment complex to this area would be detrimental to the wellbeing of current Prattville
residents. Ms. Finnegan asked the council to deny the request to rezone this property.
Councilor Jackson asked Ms. Finnegan to share the information that Earnest Burke, Executive
Director of the Plano Housing Authority gave her regarding her questions about MVAH
Holdings, LLC. Ms. Finnegan did not have that information to share. Councilor Jackson read
the email from Mr. Burke to Ms. Finnegan stating that “MVAH had been selected by the Plano
Housing Authority regarding an upcoming development. MVAH has a proven track record in
creating quality multifamily developments of all aspects.” Councilor Jackson asked Ms.
Finnegan where she got the idea that they would be building 400 units, to which Ms. Finnegan
responded that the MVAH application to the Planning Commission shows 400 apartment units
for phase one. Councilor Jackson asked Mr. Smith if those numbers were correct. Mr. Smith
said that they were a conceptual rendering.
Representative Will Dismukes, 109 Holly Lane:
Representative Dismukes thanked the council for all that they do. This rezoning falls within his
legislative district and he is opposed to it. He stated that just in his neighborhood and in the
surrounding neighborhoods, there are several homes available that would make great starter
homes. The Representative asked that the council vote against this item.
Richard Dennis 1856 Seasons Drive:
Mr. Dennis is the Superintendent of Education for Elmore County public Schools and a former
principal for Prattville High School. Mr. Dennis reported that Elmore County currently has 700
students from the City of Prattville. This project will mean that number will increase and in turn
have an impact on the schools. Prattville’s school system is ranked 137 out of 137 on student
expenditures and Elmore County is only $10.00 ahead at 136. That being said, finances are
obviously a concern. There have been rumors about this project being low income housing.
Mr. Dennis commends helping those in need, but at the same time safety is a concern. Elmore
County is here to serve the students and will be prepared to do so. Mr. Dennis asked that he
be made aware of any projects that would increase the number of students in Elmore County
so that they can prepare.
Tammy Shipp, 631 Covered Bridge Pkwy:
Ms. Shipp pointed out that MVAH’s website states that its primary business falls into
construction and property management of low income housing. Prattville has 30 complexes
with 3,000 units. 12 of those complexes are low income. The 2 largest are Willow Ridge with
260 units located across from the proposed complex and The Park with 259 units. The largest
low income complex in Prattville is Brentwood with 176 units. A 400 unit complex is 45% larger
than the established complex unit size. Montgomery’s population is 199,000 and has only 3 out
of 71 complexes with more than 400 units. The largest low income complex in Montgomery
was Trenholm Court with 350 units. Trenholm Court fell into disrepair and had to be torn down.
Smiley Court is another low income complex in Montgomery and has 293 units and also needs
to be demolished due to its state of disrepair. Loss of these 643 units has created a shortage
of low income housing in Montgomery. Both Trenholm and Smiley Court became associated
with crime. Building any complex low income or not of this size in Prattville is unfair to the
citizens, the local EMS, local and surrounding schools, prospective tenants and the City’s
infrastructure. MVAH’s website states that its business is in low income housing. Councilor
Jackson stated that there is no direct link between apartments and crime. Ms. Shipp responded
that she lives 200 yards from Brentwood Landing in Prattville, and witnesses that crime takes
place there more than it does in a standard neighborhood. Ms. Shipp added that low income
housing deteriorates quicker than any other type of development. Councilor Jackson asked Bo
Evans if he believed apartments produce crime. Mr. Evans Responded, poverty certainly, but
apartments themselves no. Ms. Shipp asked that the Council compare the crime rate at Smiley
Court to that at Park Place.
Richard Harrison, 121 Irma Lane:
On May 1, 2018, many citizens expressed their concern about adding apartment complexes to
the City of Prattville. It was said by a City Council member that citizens’ safety is not an issue.
A few weeks after that meeting there was a shooting in a Prattville apartment complex. There
was a shooting last week at Victoria Place Apartments. The City Council now has their own
one-year history of crime in apartment complexes in the City to look at. It appears that we need
to enlarge our police department and give them what they need to better control the population
that we have before we grow anymore.
Debbie Salvador, 1608 Ashwood Drive:
Mrs. Salvador attended the District 2 meeting last week. She reported that during the meeting
it was said that the largest volume of calls for break-ins came from apartment complexes. More
apartments would create a breeding ground for this type of activity, which will occupy the time
of our limited police. The Police Department is undermanned due to the reassignment of four
officers to be school resource officers. If the City is going to keep growing then it needs to hire
more police officers at a competitive salary, and improve infrastructure. She also asked the
council to consider the impact this would have on the hospital. Councilor Jackson asked Police
Chief Mark Thompson if it was true that during the District 2 meeting it was reported that most
of the break-ins where from apartment complexes. Chief Thompson responded that he did not
recall saying that, the break-ins are spread throughout the City.
Lisa Andrews, 73 Live Oaks Drive, Millbrook, AL:
Ms. Andrews’ children attend the Elmore County public school system. The Elmore County
schools are overcrowded, and many choose private schools because the public schools are
not providing what the children need. The money available to the public school systems is next
to nothing. Adding more apartments in Elmore County would only add to the problem of
overcrowding. Ms. Andrews also agreed that the Prattville hospital needs to grow to
accommodate more people. Councilor Starnes asked Ms. Andrews which schools would the
kids from this proposed complex attend. Ms. Andrews replied they would attend Millbrook
Middle, Stanhope and Airport Road.
Dr. Gerald Cimis, 141 N. Chestnut Street
Dr. Cimis was surprised the Mayor of Millbrook, the Elmore County Commission and Mr. Dennis
were not consulted on this project. §11-52-72 of the Code of Alabama, 1975 as amended,
states that zoning regulations shall be made in accordance with a comprehensive plan and
designed to lessen congestion in the streets, to secure safety from fire, panic and other
dangers, to promote health and the general welfare, to provide adequate light and air, to
prevent the overcrowding of land, to avoid undue concentration. If approved you would allowing
a 400 unit apartment complex in two phases across the street from the 260 unit Willow Ridge
Complex, who has an expansion capability of 4 more buildings, and near a congested
intersection. Prattville comprehensive plan calls for 2,542 apartments by next year. The US
Government Census Housing shows we have 3,189 occupied now. If approved that could raise
the number up to 3,589, which is 41% over the comprehensive plan. It concentrates two
complexes in an already congested area. Approving this would clearly be favoring best interest
of the owner and developer and not the general welfare of the entire community. Councilor
Cables asked Planning Director Scott Stephens what the comprehensive plan indicates for this
area. Mr. Stephens responded that it indicates that this area would be mixed use transitional,
which would include retail and multi-family. Dr. Cimis responded that the comprehensive plan
does not allow this type of concentration. Earlier it was said that Miller Valentine was not related
MVAH. Dr. Cimis sent the council a Federal District Court ruling showing that Miller Valentine
was cited for ADA and FHA violations, and the presidents of both the affordable housing and
the investments divisions are now the two partners of MVAH. Councilor Starnes asked Dr.
Cimis what his qualifications were. Dr. Cimis replied that he has a certification in Planning and
Zoning from the University of North Alabama. Dr. Cimis hoped that more planning and
commissioners would go through training.
Bradley Neave, 173 County Rd 60, Deatsville, AL:
Mr. Neave owns a home in Deatsville, but currently rents in Prattville. Mr. Neave stated that he
previously asked Darren Smith if he is affiliated with MVAH and Mr. Smith answered no. Mr.
Neave stated that MVAH is affiliated with Darren Smith. He is the developer of their southwest
region. He has made statements at other municipalities where they are focused on 100%
affordable housing. The President of this company has made statements that they formed
MVAH Partners strictly for affordable housing. Darren Smith danced around the truth about
who he works for, could he be dancing around the truth about what he plans to do with this
project.
Roger Tinsley, 633 Covered Bridge Pkwy:
Mr. Tinsley moved to Prattville in 1976 and lived on the Southern Bypass in Montgomery
previously. At that time Southern Bypass was not a bad place to live. Mr. Tinsley does not want
to see Old Farm Lane become like the Southern Bypass.
Grant Wadsworth, 209 Poplar Street:
Mr. Wadsworth’s mother-in-law and wife lived in Carriage Hills in Montgomery. There are four
large complexes in that area. At first they were great places to live, but then management
companies changed over time and became section 8 housing. His mother-in-law had to
basically give her home away due to the depreciation in property value in order to get out of a
crime ridden area. Mr. Wadsworth does not want to see that happen in Prattville.
3. ORDINANCE: To Zone Property Located at Co. Rd. 4, South Industrial Park and Corley
Road to M-2. (General Industry). (Petitioner: City of Prattville). (Sponsored By: Councilor
Boone)
City Planner Scott Stephens spoke in favor of this ordinance. Mr. Stephens explained that this
property was annexed into the City through local legislation last year and the City is now trying
to establish the initial zoning. This property is adjacent to South Industrial Park. The
recommendation from the Planning Commission and staff was general industry.
4. ORDINANCE: To Zone Property Located at Interstate Court/Business Park Drive to B-2
(General Business) (Petitioner: City of Prattville/Owner: MRT, LLC). (Sponsored By: Council
President Pro Tempore Brown)
Mr. Stephens spoke in favor of this ordinance. This is another property that was annexed in
through local legislation last year. The City is taking the action on initial zoning, but the property
is owned by private firm. The recommendation of the Planning Commission was general
business.
ADJOURN:
There being no further comments, Council President Striplin closed the Public Hearing at 6:52
p.m.
APPROVED:
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Cathy Dickerson
City Clerk
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Albert Striplin, President
Prattville City Council
SUBMITTED BY:
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Jamie-Lynn Clayton
Assistant City Clerk