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BILL GILLESPIE, JR.
MAYOR
J. SCOTT STEPHENS, AICP
DIRECTOR
C I T Y OF P R A T T VI LL E
H I S T OR I C P R E SE R VA T I O N C O M M IS S ION
AGENDA
December 10, 2020
4:30 p.m.
Call to Order:
Roll Call:
Chairman Langley, Vice-Chairman McCord, Mrs. Davis, Mr. Ferguson, Ms. Musgrove, Mrs. Teresa Nettles, and Mr. Sanford.
Minutes:
October 22, 2020
Old Business:
1.CA2010-01 Certificate of Appropriateness
Demolition-Remove existing Awning
161 West Main Street
Debra Pace, Petitioner
Public Hearing
New Business:
2.CA2012-01 Certificate of Appropriateness
Sign-Install sign West Main Coffee House
167 West Main Street
Matthew Cuthbertson, Petitioner
Public Hearing
3.CA2012-02 Certificate of Appropriateness
Demolition – Remove siding, repair and replace walkway and driveway
Addition- Construct garage, storage room and detached RV garage
126 East 5th Street
J.B. & Jaylene Carteret, Petitioner
Public Hearing
Miscellaneous:
Adjourn:
Approved 1/28/21
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CITY OF PRATTVILLE HISTORIC PRESERVATION COMMISSION MINUTES
December 10, 2020 Call to order: The regular meeting of the Prattville Historic Preservation Commission was called to order on Thursday,
December 10, 2020 at 4:33 p.m. Roll Call: The secretary called the roll. Members present were Chairman Thea Langley, Vice-Chairman Joel McCord, Mrs. Jean Davis, Ms. Kate Musgrove, Mrs. Teresa Nettles, and Mr. Tim Sanford. Members Absent: Mr. Scott Ferguson.
Quorum present Also present was Mr. Scott Stephens, City Planner; Mr. Darrell Rigsby, Senior Planner; Mr. Tommie Williams, Planner, and Ms. Alisa Morgan, Secretary.
Minutes: Mrs. Davis moved to approve the minutes of the September 24, 2020 meeting. Mrs. Nettles seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously. Committee Reports: There were no reports to be made. Old Business: Certificate of Appropriateness Demolition-Remove existing Awning 161 West Main Street Debra Pace, Petitioner Mr. Stephens provided the staff comments to the request to remove the existing awning from property located at 161 West Main Street. He stated that the petitioner was approved for a permit to modify the awning, but what was installed is not what was approved. A Stop Work Order was issued for the violation. He stated that the petitioner appeared before the Prattville Municipal Court and the municipal judge
suggested that the petitioner return to the HPC to find a solution that can be approved by the HPC. Debra Pace, petitioner, stated that the improper awning was an unintentional error. She stated that the awning that was placed over the existing structure frame will be removed. After no further discussion, the vote was called. Mr. McCord moved to approve the request as submitted contingent that the previous existing 4 bars remain connected to the building. Ms. Musgrove seconded the motion. The motion to approve passed unanimously.
There were no public comments.
New Business: Certificate of Appropriateness Sign-Install sign West Main Coffee House 167 West Main Street Matthew Cuthbertson, Petitioner
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Mr. Williams provided the staff report for the sign installation request at 167 West Main Street. He stated that historic signage should be retained and maintained. He stated that the petitioner proposes to use the existing base of the structure. Matthew Cuthbertson, petitioner, along with sign installer, Kevin Sims, presented the request to place a sign on property located at 167 West Main Street. The staff received comments in favor of the request from Benjamin Akers (email attached). There were no
public comments. After no further discussion, the vote was called. Mrs. Davis moved to approve the request as submitted.
Mr. McCord seconded the motion. The motion to approve passed unanimously. Certificate of Appropriateness Demolition – Remove siding, repair and replace walkway and driveway Addition- Construct garage, media/storage room, and detached RV garage 126 East 5th Street J.B. & Jaylene Carteret, Petitioner Mr. Rigsby provided the staff report for the demolition and alterations proposed for structure on property located at 126 East Fifth Street. He stated that the proposed demolition to replace siding, repair and replace walkway and driveway and the proposed addition to construct garage, media and storage room, and detached RV garage are in keeping with the guidelines. J. B. and Jaylene Carteret, petitioners, presented the request for demolition and alterations to structure on
property located at 126 East Fifth Street. They outlined the proposed alterations to be made to remove old siding and replace with Hardie Plank; to repair and replace walkway to front door and driveway with concrete; to construct an attached 1 ½ story 48’ x 56’ three-bay garage and media/storage structure attached
to back of house; to construct a detached RV garage at rear of property; and to repair existing storm windows, storm door, rear deck, and front patio.
Ms. Musgrove moved to separate the requested items. Mr. Sanford seconded the motion. The motion passed unanimously. Item 1: (Siding) Mr. McCord moved to approve the request as submitted. Ms. Musgrove seconded the motion. The motion to approve passed unanimously. Item 2: (Driveway) Mr. McCord moved to approve the request as submitted. Mrs. Davis seconded the motion. The motion to approve passed unanimously.
Item 5: (Windows, door, rear deck, and front patio) Ms. Musgrove moved to approve the request as submitted contingent that the proposed Trex flooring be applied to the front patio and rear deck. Mrs. Davis seconded the motion. The motion to approve passed
unanimously. Item 3: (Attached garage/media and storage room) The Commission requested more details on the proposed structure. They suggested that the profile of the proposed structure remain contiguous with the main structure. Mrs. Davis moved to table the request until the next meeting. Ms. Musgrove seconded the motion. The motion to table passed unanimously. Item 4: (Detached RV garage)
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The Commission requested detailed information for the proposed RV garage. Mr. McCord moved to table the request. Ms. Musgrove seconded the motion. The motion to table passed unanimously. The staff received comments from Dr. Gerald Cimis (email attached). There were no public comments. Miscellaneous: Mr. Stephens discussed with the Commission Project Prattville 2040, the comprehensive plan update and plans to improve the HPC’s current guidelines.
Adjourn: With no further business, the meeting was adjourned at 5:58 p.m.
Respectfully submitted,
Alisa Morgan, Secretary Historic Preservation Commission
CITY OF PRATTVILLE
Historic Preservation Commission
Planning Department Staff Report
CERTIFICATE OF
APPROPRIATENESS
161 West Main Street – CA2010-01
DATE
October 22, 2020
PROPOSED DEVLOPMENT
Petitioner: Debra Pace
Property Owner: Debra Pace
Agent: N/A
Location:
Review Status and
History
161 West Main Street
Previous Requests: December 2019- Install awning at front facade
February 2016 – CA 1602-01- Install plywood over
portion of front brick façade in order to secure
deteriorating bricks, Denied.
November 2012 – CA1211-02 – Received COA to
complete rear porch addition
1984/2007 Historic
Properties Inventory
Details
Proposed Alteration,
Renovation or
Addition
161 West Main Street (1903, contributing)
This one-story brick building with a parapet has a circa
1960 aluminum canopy and storefront.
The following changes have been requested by the applicant. See the application for
the owner’s description of each item.
Item 1. Removal of un-approved metal awning and restoring to previous flat
awning/canopy
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PLANNING STAFF EVALUATION
Reviewed by: Scott Stephens
Site Visits Conducted: October 2020
Recommendation: Approve
Analysis:
Applicant appeared before HPC on 1/23/2020 and requested to install a sloped, metal
panel awning. The HPC voted to deny request.
On 2/23/2020, staff observed the un-approved awning being installed.
On 9/23/2020, the applicant appeared before the Prattville Municipal Court for a probable
cause hearing to determine whether there was sufficient cause to have a formal hearing
to determine if a violation of city and state laws were broken. The municipal judge
suggested that Ms Pace return to the HPC to re-visit the request and find a solution that
can be approved by the HPC.
Ms Pace is requesting to remove the un-approved awning and restore back the previously
existing flat, aluminum awning/canopy.
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Historic Preservation Commission
Planning Department Staff Report
CERTIFICATE OF
APPROPRIATENESS
167 W. Main Street – CA2012-01
DATE
December 10, 2020
PROPOSED DEVLOPMENT
Petitioner: Kevin Sims
Property Owner: Matthew Cuthbertson
Location: 167 W. Main Street
Review Status and History
Submission Status: First request for a Certificate of Appropriateness for this
address.
Previous Approvals: N/A
1984/2007 Historic
Properties Inventory
Details
167 W. Main Street
c. 1905; one story, brick with c. 1940 Carrara glass
storefront later altered, including addition (c. 1960) of
aluminum canopy and corrugated facing to upper
portion of facade
Proposed Alteration, Renovation or Addition
The following alteration has been requested by the applicant. See the application
included as Attachment A for a description of each element.
1. Replace old Cotton Gin Creamery sign with West Main Coffeehouse and
Creamery
PLANNING STAFF EVALUATION:
Reviewed by: Tommie Williams, Planner
Site Visits Conducted: December 2020
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Recommendation: Approval, see analysis below
Evaluation:
Since the subject property/structure was initially developed as and remains a commercial
structure, the requested alterations were reviewed against the standards contained in the
Prattville Commercial Design Review Guidelines Manual. The relevant sections of manual
are included. Staff comments/evaluations are summarized at the end of each section.
1. Replace old Cotton Gin Creamery sign with West Main Coffeehouse and Creamery
Signs (page 29)
Signs are important elements in the historic and commercial character of the
downtown business district, and historic signage should be retained and
maintained. Signs are also important means of advertising and establishing
business identities.
1. Historic signs should be retained, maintained, and, if needed, repaired.
2. New signs should be of traditional materials such as finished wood, glass,
copper, or bronze.
3. New signs should be installed in locations historically used for signs such
as on awnings, on upper façade walls covering five percent or less of the
wall surface, inside windows, projecting from the building façade or
elevation. Signs should not cover or obscure architectural features.
4. New signs should be properly proportioned relative to their buildings.
5. Letters should be eighteen or less inches high and should cover sixty
percent or less of the total sign area.
6. Colors used in signs should be coordinated with their buildings. Three
colors or less should be used per sign.
7. Mounting equipment should be anchored in mortar, not bricks or stones,
and should avoid damaging the building.
8. Lighting sources for signs should be external and concealed. The
exception is if historic or replica neon signs are used.
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From:Stephens, Scott
To:Akers, Benjamin Corbin
Cc:Planning
Subject:RE: [EXTERNAL]West Main Coffeehouse and Creamery
Date:Friday, December 4, 2020 9:57:57 AM
Thank you for the email. We'll add it to the commissioner's packet.
J. Scott Stephens | scott.stephens@prattvilleal.gov | 334.595.0501
-----Original Message-----From: Akers, Benjamin Corbin <bcakers@liberty.edu>Sent: Friday, December 4, 2020 9:57 AMTo: Planning <Planning@prattvilleal.gov>Subject: [EXTERNAL]West Main Coffeehouse and Creamery
This email originated from outside the organization. Do not click links or open attachments unless you recognize thesender and know the content is safe. If you are unsure if the email is safe, please forward it to help@prattvilleal.gov.
Hey there! I am unable to make the public hearing next Thursday, but I’d like to voice my support for this businessto place a new sign above the entrance in order to better represent their business while also adding to the visualappeal of the area. Thank you!
Benjamin Akers334-451-4590
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Historic Preservation Commission
Staff Report
CERTIFICATE OF
APPROPRIATENESS
126 East Fifth Street – CA2012-02
DATE
December 10, 2020
PROPOSED DEVELOPMENT
Petitioner: J.B. & Jaylene Carteret
Property Owner: J.B. & Jaylene Carteret
Agent: N/A
Location: 126 East Fifth Street
Review Status and History
Submission Status: February 2019 (1902-02)
Previous Approvals: COA 1902-02 approved February 18th, 2019 to replace roof
1984/2007 Historic
Properties Inventory
Details
126 East Fifth Street, Gillespie-Moody House (circa
1890, contributing) The frame house is a one-story and
has a hipped roof with lesser gable extensions. In the
apex of the front gable is original banjo work and scroll-
cut trim. Its porch with circa 1925 brick-pier and post
supports abuts its projecting front bay.
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Proposed Alteration, Renovation or Addition
The following alterations have been requested by the applicant. See the application
included as Attachment A for a description of each element.
1. Remove old siding and replace with Hardie Plank
2. Repair and replace walkway to front door and driveway with concrete
3. Construction of attached 1 ½ story 48’ x 56’ three-bay garage and
media/storage structure attached to back of house
4. Construction of detached RV garage at rear of property
5. Repair existing storm windows, storm door, rear deck, and front patio
PLANNING STAFF EVALUATION:
Reviewed by: Darrell Rigsby, Senior Planner
Site Visits Conducted: December 2020
Recommendation: Approval
Proposed project is in keeping with the Historic Preservation
Guidelines for Residential buildings. Proposed project does
not detract from the existing structure.
Evaluation:
Since the subject property/structure was initially developed as a residence, the requested alterations were
reviewed against the standards contained in the Prattville Residential Design Review Guidelines Manual.
The relevant sections of manual are included. Staff comments/evaluations are summarized at the end of
each section. The following changes are proposed:
1. Remove old siding and replace with Hardie Plank
Paint (page 25)
1. The painted surface of historically painted buildings or features should be maintained.
2. New or replacement building features of the type that were historically painted, such as
wood siding or wood trim, should be painted and their surface maintained.
Item 1 Recommendation: Approval
There is little guidance in the Prattville Residential Design Review Guidelines specifically
concerning exterior wall materials. The majority of the guidance is along the lines of
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maintaining and preserving the finishes, paint, architectural features and historical character
and patching or replacing with similar. This home has more modern aluminum wall material
covering wooden boards (see pictures below) that is not original to the home. Per the
applicant, he has not been able to source an exact match with the same wood like graining
pattern as the existing aluminum sheeting material. Applicant has patched some spots with
similar material, however, it is not the same. Behind the aluminum sheeting appears to be
cedar wall board. Per the applicant, the wall board is in very bad, deteriorating condition due to
many years of being covered by the exterior aluminum sheathing and water and pest damage.
Applicant proposes to replace exterior wall material with a Hardie board material that will be
consistent with other homes in the area and consistent with the Historic Guidelines.
2. Repair / Replace Walkway and Driveway
Driveways, Sidewalks, and Walkways (page 44)
Driveways, sidewalks, and walkways are common district features. Historic examples should
be retained and maintained, and new construction should follow historic examples.
Dirt, gravel, concrete, and concrete ribbon are all appropriate materials for driveways. Drive-
ways are typically located to the side of the house; this pattern should be continued with new
driveways.
Parking areas might be located behind the house and out of public view. This is particularly
appropriate when parking more than one or more cars.
Sidewalks should be of concrete and located between the main yard and a strip of yard
bordering the street.
New walkways should model themselves on existing walkways.
1. Historic driveways, sidewalks, and walkways should be retained and maintained.
2. Driveways should be of gravel, concrete ribbons, grass and dirt, or concrete. Blacktop
and asphalt driveways were not historically features of the district, and should be
avoided. Driveways should be located to the side of the house.
3. Residential parking areas larger than one car width should be screened and located
behind the house or out of view from the sidewalk.
4. Sidewalks are typically concrete and located between a narrow strip of grass bordering the
street and the yard. New sidewalks should follow these historic models.
5. Many district residences have narrow concrete walkways connecting the sidewalk or street
to the main entrance. New walkways should follow these historic models.
Item 2 Recommendation: Approval
The repair and replacement of the existing concrete walkway from the front entrance to the
sidewalk is consistent with items 4 and 5 above. Additionally, constructing a concrete driveway
along the side of the house toward the proposed garage structures, where an existing gravel
drive is grown up, is consistent with requirements 2 and 3 above.
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3. Construction of attached 1 ½ story 48’ x 56’ garage and media/storage structure attached
to back of house matching house
Additions (page 40)
Additions to dwellings are appropriate as long as they are placed on rear elevations or non-readily
visible side elevations. Additions should be designed to complement the historic qualities of the
dwelling.
1. Additions should cause minimal damage or removal of historic walls, roofs, and features
from historic buildings. Existing openings should be used to connect the building and
the addition.
2. Additions should have no or limited visibility from the street. Generally, rear elevation
are appropriate locations for additions.
3. Additions should be compatible with the original building in scale, proportion, rhythm,
and materials.
4. Additions should be distinguishable from the historic building: they should be smaller
and simpler in design.
5. Additions should not imitate earlier architectural styles, but should be contemporary in
design.
Item 3 Recommendation: Approval
The addition is located at the rear elevation of the structure with limited visibility from the public
right-of-way. The applicant is proposing to continue the same design elements of the existing
house, using hardie-plank siding and similar windows offering compatibility of the original
house, therefore guidelines can be considered met.
4. Construction of detached RV garage at rear of property matching house
Outbuildings (page 50)
Outbuildings (page 50)
Outbuildings contribute to the historic and residential character of the district. Historic outbuildings
should be retained and maintained. New outbuildings should use design, materials, and placement
that support the district’s historic character.
1. Historic outbuildings should be retained and maintained.
2. New outbuildings should be smaller than the adjoining main building.
3. New outbuildings should be simple in appearance.
4. New outbuildings should use building and roof forms compatible to those used in the
adjoining main building.
5. New outbuildings should use materials compatible to those used in the adjoining main
buildings. Outbuildings that are not visible from public vantage points or have very
limited visibility may use modern synthetic siding materials.
Analysis:
a. The proposed new/replacement garage meets Guidelines 2 and 5 for Outbuildings.
Proposed RV garage is smaller than the primary structure and meets the city’s zoning
standards. Due to its location deep in the rear of the lot, the proposed structure is only
visible on one side from East 5th Street. In general, the asphalt shingle roof and hardie
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plank style siding proposed for the new structure match the materials from the main
structure and surrounding properties.
b. Care should be taken that the new structure is simpler in appearance from the primary
structure. This is easily accomplished by using less ornate windows, doors, and window
and door casings than the primary structure. Staff photos of the primary structure are
presented in Attachment C for Commission review and comparison to the application in
Attachment A.
Item 4 Recommendation: Approval
Proposed building meets the Commission guidelines for size and materials. The Commission
should carefully review the proposed appearance and roof layout.
5. Repair existing storm windows, storm door, rear deck and front patio
At the current time, the applicant proposes to clean up and repair existing aluminum storm windows
and doors with new glass. Applicant has stated that in the future, they may go back to rehab the
historic wooden windows and wooden door, but do not plan to do that at this time. Additionally,
applicant plans to re-deck the front wooden patio and rear wooden deck, with new wood or polymer
materials, maintaining the existing layout.
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PICTURES
Existing Front
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East side and Driveway
Driveway Condition Close-up
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Existing windows and trim (Aluminum storm window on exterior over original wooden windows)
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Exterior aluminum storm windows covering original wooden windows
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Front Door – Exterior storm/screen door covering older wooden door
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Aluminum Siding
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Rear wooden deck
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From:Stephens, Scott
To:Morgan, Alisa
Subject:FW: [EXTERNAL]HPC Applic. - 126 E. Fifth St.
Date:Wednesday, December 9, 2020 11:38:02 AM
Please include in HPC packets
J. Scott Stephens | scott.stephens@prattvilleal.gov | 334.595.0501
-----Original Message-----
From: Gerald Cimis <gcimis1@outlook.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 9, 2020 11:22 AM
To: 'Thea Langley (thealangley@gmail.com)' <thealangley@gmail.com>; Stephens, Scott
<Scott.Stephens@prattvilleal.gov>
Subject: [EXTERNAL]HPC Applic. - 126 E. Fifth St.
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Dear Chairperson Langley, Members of the HPC and Mr. Stephens, Chair Langley, could you please share this
email and my concerns with the other Commission Members as I will be unable to attend the Public Hearing.
As you are aware, I am in frequently in favor of renovating historic homes in our Historic District as long as it is
done in the spirit of our Historic Guidelines.
In reviewing the submission applic to HPC for 126 E. 5th St. (see link below), I noticed that there is a large RV
garage planned and will be visible from the street. I do not see any drawings or pix of what this large garage will
look like to ascertain if it will be in keeping with our Residential Guidelines and the main structure. I am also
concerned about having an RV parked in the driveway or parked in the garage visible with the garage door left
open. Although our City Ordinance only requires RVs to be parked to the rear of a line parallel to the front of the
house, I feel our Historic District should be more restrictive about having an RV parked outside and visible from the
street. I could not find an area of our Historic Guidelines that addresses this issue. In addition to the esthetics of
this RV garage, please consider restrictions on parking the RV outside of the garage, or with the garage door left
open, except while unloading.
https://weblink.prattvilleal.gov/WebLink/DocView.aspx?id=257530&dbid=0&repo=Prattville
Respectfully,
Dr. Gerald Cimis